Upgrade Your Life; Change The World – With Denise Duffield-Thomas

What an honor it was to connect again with one of my favorite entrepreneurs on the planet: Denise Duffield-Thomas.

Denise has been one of my mentors over the last several years since I discovered her work and joined her Money Bootcamp.

She is a money mindset mentor for the new wave of online female entrepreneurs, but the work she does goes so far beyond helping people with their issues around money.

You can learn more about Denise over at her website, LuckyBitch.com.

In this conversation below (transcription provided beneath the video itself), we discuss a lot, including the aftermath of the 2016 U.S. election and the effects it had on Denise and her work, and what that means for all of us, especially as female entrepreneurs (it’s time to step it up!)

We also discuss changing dynamics in business and relationships, including part of Denise’s journey bringing her partner on board to her company, as well as her ongoing evolution and many upgrades along the way. This is a must see if you have ever considered bringing your significant other into your business.

Pour yourself a cup of something nice and get ready for an excellent conversation.

A Few Notes For Your Reference Before We Dive In:

 

  • Inherent in all of Denise’s work is the theme of upgrading, growth and expansion, which has a lot to do with why so many of us love our work as creative agents in our own lives as well. I referenced a free training that Denise offers on upgrading your business that I wanted to share with you as well — check that out here (after you watch our interview).

 

  • If you are feeling inspired to reclaim your money power and rise up to be a part of the best paradigm shift in history, you will definitely want to check out Denise’s Free Money Mindset Workshop — where you will discover the 3 mistakes that keep women entrepreneurs broke and exhausted — and how you can eliminate them!

         Get the Free Money Mindset Workshop Here!

Last but not least:

The doors of Denise’s amazing and life-changing Money Bootcamp are opening again. Because I believe in this program so much, I am a proud affiliate for it (this means I will receive a commission from Denise if you sign up through me, at no extra cost to you).

If you have money blocks (we all do) and are ready to move into the next level of abundance for yourself in all areas (business, love, health and beyond…it’s all connected), please join me in this incredible program, and as my gift to you for signing up with my link, I will give you a FREE YEAR in my brand spanking new program, My Best Relationship Society, where you will discover (and get support in implementing) everything you need to create your best relationships. Just drop me a line using my contact form and let me know you signed up with my link and we will get you enrolled for a year into the community for conscious and connected innovators to create our best relationships, across the board.

 

ENJOY THE INTERVIEW!

(And let me know your feedback, comments and reflections in the comments. This can be a loaded and heavy topic,  but I believe it’s an important one.)

TRANSCRIPT:

Jenev Caddell:   

Hey everybody, this is Jenev Caddell of mybestrelationship.com and you are in for a treat today because I had the incredible opportunity to interview and really have a chat with one of my money mindset mentors, Denise Duffield Thomas, who is the money mindset mentor for the new wave of online female entrepreneurs. Denise helps women release the fear of money, set premium rates for their services, and really take back control over their finances. Her work goes so far beyond money. It’s really about worth. It’s really about showing up in the world in a bigger way and I am thrilled to be interviewing Denise today.

I have been a member of her money boot camp for the last almost four years now, and I have seen so much growth and expansion in my own business, an evolution we should say as well. As well as in some of now my lifelong friends from that community, people I see as well. It’s just an incredible place where you can grow and expand and address some of the condition beliefs and limiting beliefs that you may have about money, about your self worth, which so many women face, so that you can continue to grow and create your life in the way that you’re meant to.

I am so excited to talk to Denise. I’ll share with you our interview, where we talk about some of here recent evolutions in her business, as well as what it’s like to be bringing her partner into her business. We talk about the turmoil of the 2016 US election, which is, again, gonna be a day in history that we look back on, or our time in history that we look back, and the time that we’re living in right now. And what it means for all of us as women entrepreneurs in particular.

Denise is gonna be opening up the doors to her amazing money boot camp pretty soon, and I wanted to offer you an incredible opportunity. If you join with my link, because I am a proud affiliate of Denise’s program, and My Best Relationship Society, which is my ongoing membership community, is also opening its doors pretty soon. If you join Denise’s program, using my link, which I’ll share in the notes, I’m also gonna gift you a free year, I couldn’t decide, six months or a year, but I’m gonna give you a free year in my membership community, where you will also get all the resources you need to create your best relationship, whether you’re an entrepreneur or not.

Now, her boot camp has a lot of entrepreneurs, but really, if you’re a woman who wants to address your money blocks, entrepreneur or not, I strongly encourage you to check it out. So, without further ado, I’m gonna stop talking and open up the interview with Denise. Thanks for watching and let me know if you have any questions or comments. I had an awesome time talking with Denise and I believe you’re gonna enjoy the interview, so here we go.

Alright, hey Denise. I am just so excited to talk with you today. Thank you so much for this opportunity, being here with me today to share your wisdom and jewels and just thrilled to have you here.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: I can’t wait, because I know we’re gonna talk about some juicy stuff.

Jenev Caddell: We absolutely are, so I had the opportunity to interview you two years ago, and we …

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Has it been two years? No.

Jenev Caddell: It’s been two years. It has been. I just saw it on Skype, July 12, 2015, and we spoke about what do you do with your partner’s money blocks and it was an incredible interview. If anybody’s like, I need to see it, don’t worry, I’ll put the link in the notes [click here for that interview]. Denise also has an incredible training on this in her money boot camp, so it’s an incredible topic. It comes up all the time, and yet, it’s been two years and a lot has changed since then, and one thing I love about you, among many, is just your level of transparency and honesty about your process and your journey, and where you’re at right now with everything. I wanted to dive in on that and just pick your brain about that and talk about what you’re up to with your boot camp and with your work in the world. So, let’s dive in.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yes, let’s.

Jenev Caddell: I was gonna talk about something else, it’s all connected though, and I saw your livestream that you did, maybe last week, where you talked about just how, I don’t know, crushed, if that’s the word, or just how uncertain things felt after the election and just everything that’s going on in the world, and where this work. I wanted to talk in particular about where this work fits into all that, because it really does. So can you share a little bit about your process with all of that Denise?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Ahhh, well I mean, I live in Australia, as you know, and everything that happens in the states effects us as well. It affects all of us and we were actually doing a launch right at the time of the US election, and I know other people were too, I don’t think any of us knew how, just noisy it was gonna get at that time, and people are gonna feel so uncertain straight after it. Really deflated and there was a lot going on, and then January hit, and every January, for me, I go, who am I. What am I supposed to do in the world, and it hit just way harder this year, than it had any other year. I was trying to get answers from everyone else. I’m like, I don’t know what I’m supposed to be doing in the world, and is it still relevant to talk about making money when there are people really suffering in the world.

It felt superficial. It felt greedy. It felt inappropriate, and so I had a massive crisis of confidence, thinking this is just not the right time to talk about this money stuff. I think a turning point for me, it sounds really strange, was going to see Wonder Woman. Yes, I watched that movie and I felt my cells being rearranged, and it was like, oh my gosh, like this is such a calling for women to step up right now and to be powerful. Not in the same way that men are, and not in the same way men have been.

We’re in this really weird time where women are starting to feel like, maybe I can create this freedom for myself. Maybe I can control my destiny and my financial destiny, but at the same time, you got all these messages that like, there’s rumblings around. I hear this from a big level, like as in from a political level. There’s people trying to take women’s freedoms away, and all this kind of stuff. Then I hear it at a real micro level, where people are going, my husband is being a real dick right now, because my business is starting to take off, and he’s being horrible.

It’s like there’s this weird power struggle going on. We’re not sure what to do. The men in our lives, they’re not sure how they’re supposed to act and how they’re supposed to be now, and it feels rough for a lot of people. That’s what’s going on.

Jenev Caddell: Yeah, and I believe that the work that you do and the work that you teach and share with women to empower them around money and scarcity mindset and all of that. The inner work, right, I meant it’s, oh, I should have prepared this quote, but the Dalai Lama has some quote, not the western women quote, that too, but the quote around we can’t have outer peace until with have inner peace. So much of the work that you do is really about taking care of that inner stuff so that we can step up and do good with the money and all the rest. Really, I mean it’s almost like, I know you said you were questioning things about your work. It sounds greedy and it sounds like all this, but it actually feels like it’s absolutely what’s necessary more than ever.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yes it is, but I think for me, I needed to have a little shift of it’s like, oh, it’s not about money. It’s not just about money, right, it’s about women want to create richness in our lives, for ourselves and our family, and that’s not just about money. I see that more than ever. People are like, why am I working all the time, or like, why am I with this job that doesn’t give me anything. I want freedom, and to something people that’s cheaper than they thought it was. They were thinking, oh, I can only have freedom if I make X amount, but now I realize, that I can have freedom now. I can have a simplified life in business.

I think that was a shift for me, and then the other thing was realizing, I’ve been saying this a lot this week about purchasing power, women having purchasing power, and it’s like an economic term, but really, I’m like, what do we spend our money on. We spend our money on hiring other women. Like, as soon as I had some money, weren’t you just like, oh, I just wanna buy that necklace that chic’s making on Etsy, and I wanna hire this women to help me do my social media. Immediately, we start spreading the abundance around. We really do. We donate money to causes that are important to us. We do, we’re proven to be, to spend our money in different ways.

I’m not saying men aren’t compassionate, men don’t spend money in good ways, but we do it better. We really do, but the problem is, we don’t have enough of it, and we haven’t stepped up enough around that. It can be really simple for some of us.

I met someone recently who was an interior designer. She was the best interior designer I’ve ever seen, and I actually hired her house to do our new boot camp videos, because her house was so beautiful. I said to her, “Do you ever come to my town?”, and she goes, “oh, I don’t do this anymore.”, I’m like, “What?”, she goes, “People won’t pay for it.”, and I was like, because I was there hiring her house, I wasn’t there as her money coach. I was there like going, how much do I wanna tell her, where do I wanna go with this.

I see so many women that are really good at what they do or they have really good intentions to help people, but they can’t even receive a little bit of money for it. It’s not even about making a million dollar business. They can’t even receive a little bit of money for it that would give them some freedom, maybe from bills or pressure, but it would give them so much juice. She’s not practicing what she loves to do because she has a belief that people won’t pay for it. That really annoys me and that really pisses me off because there’s a lot of [inaudible 00:11:07] in the world, but also she’d have some money … Think of all the beauty she could create for clients that would have ripple effects beyond her work. That’s what I’m passionate about now.

Jenev Caddell: Absolutely, and so I wanted to talk, because it is a raw time, it is a rough time. We are in the middle of a paradigm shift, and I think that some of the things that we’re seeing around the world are possibly bubblings up of sort of the remnants of the old, so to speak.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yes, trying to cling onto it.

Jenev Caddell: Yes, please, like really, hopefully, that’s the way I’m trying to look at it anyway that it’s just passing. What I wanted to talk to you about, in particular, your growth and your expansion, and the fact that now you’re in business as well with your partner, because that is a whole other ballgame that, you know, in your community, I’ve been in your boot camp for almost four years, and because everything that you teach, and correct me if I’m wrong, but everything you teach, it is about growth. It’s about expansion, not necessarily accumulation, but growth and expansion and freedom really, and creation on purpose, right?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yeah.

Jenev Caddell: And again, you’ve been so transparent in that and I’ve been able to see so many people around me upgrading in big ways and in the community, because it is such a supportive and beautiful space where people share wins and all of the rest. I know an issue that comes up a lot is that many times, like you mentioned in the very beginning, these women entrepreneurs start doing incredible work in their businesses and some chose to bring their partners on board, which is kind of what you’ve done. I wanted to ask you a little bit about what that’s been like. If you have any advice for people who are in that position, because it is a tricky one, right, I’m sure.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yeah it is. It’s really awesome and it’s really hard sometimes too. For us, when we first got together, Mark and I have been together since 2003, we spoke about one day we’re gonna be millionaires and we’re gonna have this freedom based life. We literally spoke about that from day one of our relationship. Yes, which was great, and so I was always working towards, even though from the outside it probably looked like I was like dabbling, but I was trying to find my thing for a long time. I was trying different blogs and I’d go to courses and conferences because that was always my dream.

Then Mark went into corporate space and he just climbed ladder after ladder, and I didn’t feel like he was coming on our journey with me for a long time. I remember he used to get really stressed about his job too. He’d grind his teeth at night and we had X amount of holiday days a year that he could take. He was working in the sporting industry and he was working for two different … He was working for football and soccer. They have different seasons, so he’d have one season and then the next season would start. We could never go on holidays. I was actually starting become more abundant in my business, so I wanted to go places and I wanted to do things.

We had a couple of retreats in Bali that I was running, and he came along. My mom came to one of them and then he came to the other one. This big crisis at work happened while we were in Bali. We were in this beautiful place and he’s like on his phone, on his computer. He had to look after Willow while I was at this retreat, and he said he had to be on a conference call, and Willow ripped her nappy of and did a poo on the floor, while he was on this conference call, which all moms have had to deal with, by the way, all moms know that.

He was just like, ugh, I have to do this, and I’m going, you really don’t. You really could leave now. We had to leave Bali. I had finished the retreat and we had to leave that night because he had to be at work the next morning. We got in at 6:30, he had to be at work at 9:00. I just went, this is not working for me anymore. This is not working for me anymore. He was incredibly reluctant to leave his job. I want people to hear this too. This wasn’t when I was already making a million dollars in my business.

When we started this dream together, he said, “As soon as you earn six figures, I’m outta my job.”.

Jenev Caddell: Six figures, wow.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yeah, and that hit and he goes, “As soon as you earn 300,000 I’m out of my job.” “As soon as you earn 500,000, I’m out of my job.”, and the hurdles kept on going and going. It was because, honestly, he was really scared to give up his identity as a man. When we finally had words about it, where I’m like, “Dude, I think I might leave you if you don’t leave your job, and I’m not saying that lightly, and I’m not saying that to be a bitch, but this is not what I signed up for. I signed up for a co creation of freedom as a family, and this ain’t it. You’ve given me all these hurdles, I’ve overcome them all. We could have afforded it years ago, what’s going on.” He said, “What will I tell people that I do?”  That was it. That is what he was really worried about, and he still is a little bit worried about that sometimes.

He’s like, “Oh, I really wanna do my own stuff too, because then I wouldn’t tell people I’m just working for your business.”, I’m like, “Well, it’s a family business.”. I say that to be like it’s not about the money most of the time. A friend of mine, she doesn’t have an aspiration to have a massive big business, but she’s just convinced her hubby to go part-time at his job, because they have a nice life. They’ve got a small mortgage, and I think that’s the key as well. Of creating this lifestyle where it’s like you have smaller expenses so you don’t have to have a million dollars before your spouse can quit.

For us, it’s been wonderful and really challenging. Even when it’s challenging moments, I think, I so prefer him here, than at a job and gnashing his teeth and grinding his teeth at night. We have that freedom, but of course it has its own challenges as well. Just to let people know, if that’s your goal, you have to be the keeper of that flame. I was really pissed off that he wasn’t doing more to make that a reality for our family, and then I realized, nope, this is my job. I have to be the one to keep the vision for our family to do this, and I kind of have to be the one to nudge him along, because it will never happen otherwise.

That’s what it was with my friend. It was just never gonna happen. She had to nudge him, nudge him, nudge him. Okay, put in for part-time at work, come on. That’s our job, because we’re good at it and we make shit happen.

Jenev Caddell: Yeah, and well you’re just basically showing up and speaking your truth and saying heres where I’m at, this is what I signed up for, and sharing that. I think in relationships, we all challenge each other to step up in some ways. Do you know what I mean, which is what I imagine, and I’m maybe assuming, but I imagine he’s happy that he’s happy that he left?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: I think so. Sometimes I think it would be easier for him where he’s respected as the boss, whereas in our relationship, I am the boss in lots of ways. I know he loves … Like yesterday, it was his day with the kids. He took them to the beach. They had a picnic. It was a weekday and there’s no one at the beach, and I know that, that is worth it, but that doesn’t require you to have a multi million dollar business to do that.

For a lot of people, it’s way cheaper than that, but you have to paint the picture. I’ve been painting that picture for years about how that could be, and trying to understand that he doesn’t have to support system that I’ve had for years, where I see it’s possible. I have daily conversations with women about what we’re doing. They don’t have that, so we’re trying to get them to get up to speed with it, but they don’t have the support, and it’s scary. You and I both know that, when you start your business, where you start something new, it’s terrifying, but women are really good at creating the networks. We’re like, go girlfriend, you can do it, look I’ve done it, you can do it too. They don’t have that, so we have to be mindful of that too.

Jenev Caddell: That’s part, I think too, of the paradigm shift as well, right, that we were talking about before, is having that community, having that collective, having that, you know I mean, just being surrounded in your community with people with have that network. It’s just so key and we’re wired for it. Men are too, we are all wired for it as humans, but you’re right, they don’t have it in that same way.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: You’ll laugh about this because you’re in the boot camp, but I said to him, something like, why won’t you leave, I was like ahhh, and then it was like 11:00 at night, we’re in bed in the dark and he starts saying I’m scared about this and I’m scared about that, and I was like, for God’s sake, just do some EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) on it. He was like what, because I talk about it all day long with thousands of women. I’m just like, tap and forgive. He’s like, ugh, I’m not sure about how to do tapping. I’m like, how can you not know to do tapping. I talk about this 24/7, and I was like, oh, but I don’t share all that stuff with him.

I’m just expecting him to absorb that, so that’s important too, but this paradigm shift that is happening, I do see some men are not being supportive of it. It’s heartbreaking. We’ve seen this in our group where people say like, oh, my husband’s sabotaging me, and it’s tough because not every marriage can survive the growth. Some can, some can’t, but that doesn’t mean you hold yourself small because of it.

Jenev Caddell: Absolutely. I agree with you 100%. I wanted to ask you a question that you mentioned, and I know that we should wrap up pretty soon, but –

Denise Duffield-Thomas: No, we’re good.

Jenev Caddell: Okay, good. I wanted to ask, you mentioned something on your livestream about how it was a bit of a challenge for you to step into your zone of genius and to get that support yourself in a bigger way. Can you talk about that a little bit, about what you mean, do you know what I’m talking, do you remember saying this?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yeah, well I suck at delegating. I’m better now, but I even when I was in corporate, I always sought out roles where I was the lone wolf. Who could just do my own projects and not have to deal with people. This whole concept even of being allowed to do the things that you want to do, or that you enjoy, and not have to do the other things, is alien to most women because we’re used to doing all the things for everyone, whether we like them or not.

The Big Leap, by Gay Hendricks, he talks about things that you suck at, things that you’re okay at, things that you’re excellent about, but things that you’re genius with. There’s a real fine line between the excellence and the genius. I think the last couple of years, I’ve just become better at going, what do I like doing, what am I really, really good at, what can I let go, and allowing other people to step into those spaces instead of me. You know what, they usually do them so much better than I do, and they do them without being triggered by stuff or they do it without procrastinating. They’re like, oh I’ll just send that email no big deal, whereas I’ll be like, oh, am I worthy of being interviewed by that person, I don’t know.

I say now in my business, I’m like this is the only thing that I can’t outsource. If you turn out for this interview and I’ve got like a Denise puppet, it ain’t gonna work. I try to say to my team, you guys have to do everything else, because this is the thing that I can do. I can show up and help people, but I shouldn’t be doing anything else. Yeah, and it’s really hard. I’m not saying it’s easy. It’s really freaking hard because it brings up your own stuff about being a diva or people think you don’t work hoard or that you’re not worthy of your abundance or being a bitch or all these other things.

When Mark came into my business and he started taking over a lot of operations, I didn’t want to tell anyone, which is so weird, because so many people in our community want to work with their husbands or want to retire their husbands. I was like holding it back because I thought, oh my God, people are just gonna think I’m the biggest, laziest, freaking diva ever. Not only do I have help at home, but I don’t have to do everything in my business anymore. Oh, my God, I’m really not worthy of abundance. That was only this year that I didn’t want to tell people, you know, because it’s the same old money block for me. You have to work really hard to make money.

Jenev Caddell: Well it’s like the interior designer who doesn’t charge, it’s just an extension of that for all of us with the worth and with the, things can be easy sometimes.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: They can, and we will resist the crap out of it. The reason why I share that though is because the money mindset work is ongoing. Honestly it’s usually the same block that stops you from making your first hundred dollars. Same that stops you from making your first 1,000, 10,000, 100,000, a million. It’s the same stuff but it will come up in slightly different ways, which is why you need to be constantly in this conversation and communities where you can explore that and realize it’s usually the same stuff. The numbers are different, you might have a couple extra zeros in it, but the feeling feels the same to you, and that’s why women hit a plateau, get through it, but hit another one.

It’s not just like you the money work once, and then it’s plain sailing to billions. It’s constant, and sometimes you become, you’re in maintenance mode, and that’s cool too. It takes a lot of money mindset work at the start to uncover all that crap, and then you can cruise through it in maintenance mode, but then as soon as you wanna go, maybe a bigger goal, or a different aspect, like retiring your husband, it’s gonna bring it up again. It doesn’t mean you have to start from zero though, which is good because you’ve got a foundation. It just means you have to go through the same lessons, but at least you can build on it.

Jenev Caddell: I just appreciate, again, so much about open and transparent you are with just your own process with all that, because it’s stuff people don’t really talk about.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yeah, but that’s a great tip for everyone listening. In your own business, it’s just so easy to tell the truth, and you don’t have to be anything, you don’t have to pretend to be anything. I like telling the truth because then I think nobody can accuse me of anything because I’ve just told them it anyway. They’d be like you are so, I’m like yeah, I know I just told you that. I know I’m not good at that, I told you. Tell the truth. It’s so much easier.

Jenev Caddell: So good, and let go too of some things that, I mean I think that is … You at this level in your business, are still coming up against that, is just so much for the rest of us. Do you know what I mean, it’s really, it’s stuff that we have to, it’s an ongoing process. It’s an ongoing thing. The work doesn’t stop.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: No, it doesn’t, and I know that sometimes feels sucky to hear, because you’re thinking but I’m working so hard now, and it’s like what scares you today won’t scare you tomorrow. There’s always new things to be scared about in business, and that’s the bad news, but it’s like you’re gonna evolve and you just only have to look at the next step. A lot of women start to pre worry about like how am I gonna pay this massive tax bill when I have a million dollar business. It’s like, honey, get your first client. See if you like it. Just worry about what’s in front of you right now.

I do it myself, I used to think, what if Oprah wants me to be, like to run a show on her network and I hate getting up at 3:00 in the morning and TV shows want you to do makeup at 3:00. I like to start psych myself out and it’s like, Oh my God, just do the next thing that’s in front of you. Don’t pre worry about things that will never happen or is so far ahead of you. You’ll be a different person. You can handle things. You can handle that.

Jenev Caddell: We don’t have the resources now, that we will at that point, right?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Oh, exactly. The internal resources, the practice around boundaries, around saying no, that you’ll have. Just focus on the next little thing. The next conversation. The next client. The next tax bracket. Just do it incrementally, because when you actually do that incrementally, things paradoxically move quick because you’re not psyching yourself out. If you think it has to be quick, I see then people stagnate for years.

Jenev Caddell: Yes, oh that’s interesting. That’s so interesting to hear that. Well I know Denise has an incredible webinar, an incredible training I wanna share since we’re talking about upgrading and we’re talking about all of that. You guys can check it out at mybestrelationship.com/upgrade, and Denise’s boot camp is coming out soon, again, which is just, I will talk more about that as well, but Denise, if you have any, well you have so much wisdom that you shared today, and I just love talking with you. It’s such an opportunity for me to learn from you, but is any parting wisdom that you wanna share around, I don’t know, just kinda back where we started in terms of these sort of shaky, murky kind of rough times, this rough patch that I think historically we’re in that’s like, we’re gonna look back on this and be like, whoa. Anything you wanna share, advice, tips?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yes, so money is neutral. Money can be a tool for good, but it requires good people to use money for good. When you look around at women in your community, and your business friends, we’re the ones that need to step up and have a little bit of money and use money for good. You’ve kind of gotta see it as not a moral imperative, that sounds really like, but it kind of is.

Jenev Caddell: It’s a responsibility.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: It is. We can’t complain about how the world is at the moment because it’s been created by rich men in lots of ways and they’ve done a great job in some ways, and a shitty job in some ways. They’re not gonna change the way they are. It’s time for us to link hands, raise up and fill in some of those gaps that are missing. Use the infrastructure that they’ve created for us and use that to shape the world in a way that is gonna benefit so many more people on the planet. It’s our time. It’s not their time anymore, but it’s our time to rise up and meet them there too. So, why not, it’s now. It’s happening right now. We can’t wait anymore. It’s happening right now.

Jenev Caddell: It really is, and I just wanna thank you for really being a pioneer and really making it, you know when you mentioned that about just doing this in a bigger way on your livestream, I was like, oh my gosh, thank God, she’s [inaudible 00:30:36] do you know what I mean, and you know I just, because we do need community to do this. None of us can do this ourselves and we can go so much further collectively. I just appreciate you so much for bringing this conversation to the table and for all the work that you do and for your incredible boot camp. Helping all of us deal with our own inner stuff and the outer stuff, just everything to really shift our own lives around businesses, but also our own communities and the world.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Yes, the world needs us. It’s an exciting time, so encourage your girlfriends as well, because everyone’s feeling a bit scared, a bit vulnerable. That’s how we can do it, just by encouraging each other and not playing into the scarcity stuff and not bitching about other women. Keeping things positive and encouraging because I see people sometimes get bitchy about stuff in the industry and it’s like, there’s bigger problems. Let’s focus on what’s really important. Let’s encourage each other.

Jenev Caddell: Amen. Denise, this is awesome, as always, thank you so, so much.

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Thanks for having me again. I’ll talk to you in another two years or earlier than that?

Jenev Caddell: Sooner than that, okay?

Denise Duffield-Thomas: Okay, cool. Thanks everybody.

Jenev Caddell: Thank you. Thanks everybody. Take care, bye.

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